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myth, parables, metaphors
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Dale
2014-02-18 05:59:58 UTC
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http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/myth
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parable
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/metaphor
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/religion
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/civics

most of the people on earth put faith, hope, or fear in religion

the establishment institution of science does none, it ignores religion
to the best of its ability with the attitude that religion is for the
uneducated, while taking no responsibility for the education, preferring
its exclusive cabal peer-review organization

has the scientific community really explained why people are involved in
religion? would be a simple regular census question

some people involved in religion do not take it literally, they value
the interpretation, myths and parables and metaphors

has the scientific community really explained why people value such?
could be done simply in a regular census

religion has a very organized institution of its learning, down to the
grass roots, and even while it is an institution of one's option, it
succeeds in gaining the minds of most people on earth

science has grass roots in public schools, yet this is by force and in
some urban areas there is something like a 50% drop out rate when a
decision of force of age is lifted in teenage years

I think the establishment institution of science has dug into religion
with the concept of relative morality at the expense of civics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_Morality

morality is an issue of psychology, psychiatry and sociology. all of
which are deemed "arts" not science by the establishment institution of
science

psychology, psychiatry and sociology deal with complex issues leading to
civics which could benefit by parable or metaphor in early development

I think the establishment institution of science has grown kind of
stodgy, dogmatic as some religions, to the detriment of both, the
practical must take precedent over tradition

too much tradition has been put into the concept that science started
with Galileo, Descartes and Newton, whereas people having been asking
logically questions and providing logical solutions since the dawn of
man or earlier, sometimes even mathematically

seems to me that civic leaders would be interested in resolving religion
and science considering the above, until psychology, psychiatry and
sociology are a recognized part of establishment science this will not
happen I do not think
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Dale
Honest Abe
2014-02-18 18:43:13 UTC
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Post by Dale
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/myth
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/parable
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/metaphor
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/religion
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/civics
most of the people on earth put faith, hope, or fear in religion
the establishment institution of science does none, it ignores religion to
the best of its ability with the attitude that religion is for the
uneducated, while taking no responsibility for the education, preferring
its exclusive cabal peer-review organization
has the scientific community really explained why people are involved in
religion? would be a simple regular census question
some people involved in religion do not take it literally, they value the
interpretation, myths and parables and metaphors
has the scientific community really explained why people value such? could
be done simply in a regular census
Explain the mental and physical barbarisms of primitive cultures, while our
"advanced" society still has some?
The source of irrationality lies in mind/brain defects - we have not as yet
evolved beyond our animal instincts.
Barbarisms such as circumcision without anesthesia are perpetuated by
religion. Modern "religions" such as $cientology also have a barbaric side,
as in $cientology's abusive "RPF" gulag.
In time, REAL science will better understand the mind/brain defects and find
solutions.
Post by Dale
religion has a very organized institution of its learning, down to the
grass roots, and even while it is an institution of one's option, it
succeeds in gaining the minds of most people on earth
Religion is a system of brainwashing the mind from the earliest days of an
infant's life.
Post by Dale
science has grass roots in public schools, yet this is by force and in
some urban areas there is something like a 50% drop out rate when a
decision of force of age is lifted in teenage years
No, science is taught (or should be!), not originated, in the public
schools. Using force or compulsion of any kind to motivate learning is the
wrong way to go about it. Bad teaching and motivation accounts for the high
dropout rate.
Post by Dale
I think the establishment institution of science has dug into religion
with the concept of relative morality at the expense of civics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_Morality
morality is an issue of psychology, psychiatry and sociology. all of which
are deemed "arts" not science by the establishment institution of science
They are not EXACT sciences, but are useful studies and practices when done
scientifically and morally. By this I do NOT mean religion-based so-called
morals.
Post by Dale
psychology, psychiatry and sociology deal with complex issues leading to
civics which could benefit by parable or metaphor in early development
I think the establishment institution of science has grown kind of stodgy,
dogmatic as some religions, to the detriment of both, the practical must
take precedent over tradition
too much tradition has been put into the concept that science started with
Galileo, Descartes and Newton, whereas people having been asking logically
questions and providing logical solutions since the dawn of man or
earlier, sometimes even mathematically
And religious fanatics have put many to death for their logical, questioning
thinking!
Post by Dale
seems to me that civic leaders would be interested in resolving religion
and science considering the above, until psychology, psychiatry and
sociology are a recognized part of establishment science this will not
happen I do not think
The best thing that could happen would be a massive public rejection of
religion and demand for understanding of the realities that science alone
reveals.

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